TRIGGER WARNING: MARVEL NAZIS AND RACISM
Is there anything more evil than a demon skull immortal Nazi super soldier? The Red Skull has always made me uncomfortable, he is just a character that takes a lot of tact to write, and lets face it, comic book writers don’t always have a lot of it.
In the top two pictures we have Red Skull choking Pietro and basically calling him “gypsy scum” lamenting that the Third Reich did not kill his mother and father. Its not typical for writers to bring up Pietro being a gypsy, that’s usually reserved for all plotlines involving Wanda. Do the writers forget they are twins? (Honestly, sometimes I think they do) since he passes for white I think writers skip the ‘exotic’ aspect of his heritage and stick with the heir of Magneto plotlines. *face palm*
The bottom image is Red Skull creeping on Wanda, thinking she is beautiful despite, you know, being the child of a Jew and Romani woman who happens to also be a mutant.
Seriously, this guy is a monster. I would love for him to be phased out of the comics.
Pietro sassing Hercules being lovestuck. Like Pietro has ANY ground to stand on when it comes to dignified pining for love. :P
Here we see High Evaluationary say he created Pietro’s nursemaid Bova “a quarter century ago” and so we know Pietro and Wanda have to be less than 25 years old at this point. Who knows how many years after her creation she took the twins in, but Luna is about 3 years old at this point, so we assume Pietro was about 20 when he married Crystal and then had Luna. She says she is 6 in Son of M, so even with maybe 5 years from this point in Avengers to now, the twins shouldn’t be more than 30 currently.
But you know…comics…..aging…..wtf? Lol
I like the idea that he is roughly 30 in the Marvel Now.
So I am working on a Quicksilver meme, and I think I have chosen my meme picture. A few of you have contacted me about the meme. What do you think?
Also, my poor bby!
Just message me!
I have some start up example ideas and want people who know the comics well enough to help me expand on the meme!
"I have pledged my life to guard you, my sister!"
X-Men #6 (1964)
This Is what I based my MCU theory on when trying to get their powers covered but their characterization RIGHT at the same time. Since they can’t be “Mutants” Wanda has Magic, born as a nexus being and having uncontrollable powers. Just like in the comics they lead them into danger and Pietro tries to save her. She grants him the speed to save her out of a hollow wish for him to reach her in time, and Boom, she has powers, he has powers, and because he has powers because of his sister, he swears to protect her. Characters remain mostly the same, their relationship intact, they have their powers, yay?
I LOVE THESE BABIES
Of all retcons in the world of comics to not like?
The House of M is what sustains me.
It is the air I breathe and water I drink!
"From what I’ve seen of your organization, I’m your top specialist period". :) I do love Pietro’s cocky-ness.
After seeing the enemy, Pietro panics and runs away to Indonesia but then comes right back. According to Wolfram Alpha, the distance between Tibet and Indonesia is 3259 miles, which as you can see above, took Pietro a split second to run to and come back. So apparently, Pietro just ran at a speed very close to the speed of light, which I don’t think is something he’s supposed to do….it would be interesting if, when he got repowered, he became faster as well. But I don’t think that’s the case here. I think the writer just didn’t feel like computing Quicksilver’s speed against real distances.
I think this is a case of the writer saying something funny, meant to be funny, we all laughed at it, but he really didn’t do any math. But why would we expect him to? Also, Pietro might have been exaggerating.
When it comes to his speed, yes, he has been getting progressively faster for decades, because of escalation. Every character has gotten smarter, or stronger, or more invulnerable, or faster, etc. Every writer wants to do something bigger than the writer before them. If the biggest and greatest best the character could do happened in 1964, the comics from then on would be somewhat of a flat-line. Having characters either come into new powers, or new power limits, is exciting. If it be from training and pushing their limits, or just writers deciding “to hell with continuity” it happens to everyone. Also, with technology expanding, things have a different context. I think Pietro’s top speed was originally 40 MPH with quick reflexes and that matured to just over 175 MPH? But that was back in the day, before communication was instant and flights and travel cut the size of the world down to a few hours of travel time. His original limits just don’t seem all that fast anymore. (Don’t forget Marvel’s longstanding rivalry with DC. The Flash can go light-speed, Quicksilver runs 40MPH? Yeah, they had to step that up.) Now he makes sonic booms. That’s breaking the sound barrier, sound being 767MPH. Before he was exposed to Isotope E he was slower, but as his powers matured (he started off 15 years old and is now 30) his speed reached Mach potential, his top speed being something like mach3?
I’m not sure if Marvel has a set “This is how fast he go” rule, For a time he moved so fast he traveled through time. His nephew can move so fast he can vibrate molecules.
It might just be a case of whatever the fuck the writer wants goes unless it is so outrageous that the editors tell them to knock that shit off.
spike + light
Spike is the closest thing we have to an on-screen Pietro. He has the look, the sass, the bad guy/good guy who knows whatever we love him anyways thing going for him. and the accent. While Pietro isn’t British, the accent works well enough for when i’m reading his lines in my head. Pietro would actually have an Eastern European accent? something closer to Russian? (since he speaks Russian amongst other languages)
Basically, I watch Buffy and pretend Spike is Pietro. DO THIS JOSS! JUST TAKE SPIKE AND RECAST HIM AS PIETRO IN AVENGERS 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do not think for a second that just because I clearly have firmly established feelings and opinions about Pietro that i reject all other opinions or takes on that character. I very much love talking about Quicksilver, with anyone else who likes him. I am an apologist, not everyone is, and that’s OK. I am a “I loved him before he was cool” asshole because I am watching him grow increasingly popular online. THIS IS NOT A BAD THING, DO NOT LET THIS ASSHOLE THOR MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE ITS A BAD THING TO BE A NEW FAN!
It has been a very lonely place as a Quicksilver fan for a very long time. His tag suddenly having new contributors is both exciting, and scary. I am by NO MEANS an “authority” on Pietro. I DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING and I am EXTREMELY BIASED.
I love Pietro Maximoff. That’s all I’m really trying to say here. I like reading him, I like him when he is being sweet and good, and when he is being sassy snarky and a jerk. I like him as a hero, and as a villain.
The only things I do not tolerate is twin hate. DO NOT HATE ON WANDA OR PIETRO WITHIN MY RADAR AND EXPECT ME TO NOT SAY SOMETHING! and twincest. I do not ship it because…ew. People can ship what they want, but I just do not like that ship. I do not like ANY incest ships in ANY show/movie/book/comic/videogame. Just…no.
So that is all. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Ever hear me rant about Wanda? Yeah, I do that too.
Lorna? I know less about her outside X-factor but I have been reading a lot, and boy are things going south with that tag too, quickly.
I’M SORRY FOR ALL THESE FEELS!
I have Magneto feels too.
Warning: This is a Feels Zone.
Thank you All New X-Factor
yes yes yes, he SHOULD ALWAYS be skinny. He is lean because he runs. His metabolism is supposed to be crazy high. His mutation isn’t just “omg he is so fast” every part of his physiology is designed to be fast. he literally is a running machine, but everything he does is fast. he thinks fast, he reads fast, he learns fast. he would also lose muscle definition fast if he isn’t actively using those muscles. He could hit the gym to try and beef up, but unless he was using all those muscles actively, his body would consume them for energy. He has strong legs and butt, the rest of him would be lean. he needs to be aerodynamic. what isn’t aerodynamic? guys built like Heman. Look at the worlds fastest runners. look at Olympic sprinters. what are their body types? do they look like Thor? or are they long-legged skinny as fuck dudes?
Dem gams. I love him being drawn as all leg, and skinny as hell. dem cheekbones. he is described as having no body fat (legit, in his bio or in the comics) its said his body is so efficient that he has no fat, and his body produces very little waste. everything he consumes gets turned into energy. not muscle or fat.
Skinny Pietro is the only Pietro
Hey! Sorry this took so long to get to you. I was getting ready for a Con and now that I’m home I’m gonna try and get to you a list of comics for you to read! First of all, thank you. I love the House of M (Magneto’s family) to an unhealthy degree. This goes from Magneto, to His three main children: Lorna, Wanda, and Pietro, and his three main grandchildren, Billy, Tommy, and Luna. They are all my babies. But since they are long running and iconic characters, their histories and something of a headache to try and follow. Retcon and hundreds of writers and artists have all had a hand in making the family so confusing and convoluted, that it makes it pretty much impossible to get a consensus in this fandom as to what the core aspects of each character really are. Good guys? Bad guys? tragic heroes? Anti-heroes? Jerks? Victims? All of the above? kinda…
Magneto’s first appearance was in X-men #1 back in the silver age of comics when they were still under the Comic Book Code of 1954, where it was explicitly stated that “Crimes shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal, to promote distrust of the forces of law and justice, or to inspire others with a desire to imitate criminals.” and “Criminals shall not be presented so as to be rendered glamorous or to occupy a position which creates a desire for emulation.” so Magneto’s first incarnation he was goofy and evil, and never triumphed because that was all the code allowed. Pietro and Wanda’s first appearance was X-men #4 in 1964, and he was held to the same code, but Wanda and him were portrayed as more victims of Magneto themselves, rather than actual villains, thus they were able to sidestep the code somewhat, and they eventually joined the Avengers as heroes.
So, a good place to start, I would say, is picking up the original X-men series and reading them for the introduction of three of the Magnus family.
Pietro then went with his sister to join the Avengers, and they joined that team in 1965 in Avengers #16, but he continued to make appearances in the X-men title, so don’t give up on that one!
He is featured in the Fantastic Four a few times, because of the Inhumans. He marries his (bitch) wife Crystal in Fantastic Four #155, we see more of him in the Fantastic Four Annual #12, and we find out about the birth of Luna in Fantastic Four #240. There is the mini-run The Vision and Scarlet Witch in 1985 that explores the history of the twins and we get to see them find out Magneto is their daddy. There is some mess with the West Coast Avengers #33-36ish, then runs off the in X-factor.
In 1991 Quicksilver joins up with X-factor in issue #71, and his character was really redefined. Up until this point he was just an arrogant jerk who was in general rather difficult to like and we were all just left to assume it was because…uh…he is a jerk? But with PAD writing him he gave Pietro a more deserving explanation as to why he is so annoyed and frustrated all the time, basically that everyone is moving in slow-motion, and it is basically slowly driving him insane.
Then I would suggest Magneto Rex, for all the House of Magnus feels you need.
So if you are already getting a headache trying to follow this list, here is Wikipedia to assure you that, yes, his story really is that much of a pain in the ass to follow: “Quicksilver makes sporadic appearances in Avengers and the mutant titles Mutant X, X-Factor and X-Men until featuring in the limited series X-Men: Age of Apocalypse in a battle with the despot Apocalypse.”
So that right there is me getting lazy and saying I just don’t have to mental capacity to figure out all his appearances during those years, because they are infrequent and rather uneventful. At this point he had pretty much fallen to B-list status. I really feel like the writers in the 1990s were kids in the 60s, and read the comics growing up, and when they started writing, they were like “Quicksilver? I hate that guy” so they wrote him very unfavorably, or just not at all. I plan to actually just work out a list of all his appearances, minor or not, but that will take a lot of internet research and a lot of reading on my part. It’s on my to-do list.
I would suggest reading Avengers through this time tho, leading up to Disassembled (you know, so you can cry) so that you can understand this next reading suggestion….
House of M.
It is a prolific event in the Marvel 616 that basically turned everything on its head long before Civil War ever ripped our hearts out and stomped on them. House of M is in response to Wanda going crazy and blowing up the Avengers mansion and killing several Avengers including Hawkeye, Ant-man, and her own husband Vision. Pietro is a key player in this series, and I suggest reading it with a big box of tissues if you haven’t before now read it, because holy fuck. I sometimes go to sleep crying just thinking about this run.
This is a very dark time for Pietro, its a difficult read for any of us who care about his character. Reading X-factor Investigations is suggested (partially just because it is a fucking AMAZING run) because Quicksilver in all his madness makes an appearance in it. The mini Son of M shows us Pietro post-House of M where he is depressed, suicidal, and eventually driven mad. Its…messed up. The fact that no one, not the Avengers, Fantastic Four, or the X-men teams did ANYTHING to reach out and help him still makes me angry. They all blame him, then hold him accountable for the stuff he did while insane, and then refuse to forgive him…all when it could have been lessened or even prevented if any of those “heroes” had actually given a shit.
Its important to read the X-factor special “The Quick and the Dead” to find out how he….gets his powers back….finds a new reason to live….to give you a reason to scratch your head and be like huh??
Then we have Mighty Avengers. The first volume has Ms Marvel and Tony Stark and is a fun read. Civil War leaves us all very….torn up, so this post CW titles is a little bitter sweet. Then Secret Invasion happens. Mighty Avengers volume 2 has a new line up, and new team, and hello Quicksilver, what are you up to? Possessed? Looking for your sister? Being a prick? ok! So read that. Great art, lots of Pietro, lots of feels.
Some time after (possibly during? do we even know?) Mighty Avengers we have Children’s Crusade. AMAZING run. It has ALL my babies aside from Lorna and Luna. Billy, Tommy, Wanda, Pietro, Magneto. Its pretty much the best you can get! So if you haven’t read it, READ IT.
Then we have the Avengers Academy run. He is a teacher there. Its a small role, but he has some defining moments, and the art is worth it because…green suit, sassy sass man of sass. He is so sassy. I love Pietro sassy.
Now we are basically caught up to X-factor 260 where Lorna gets drunk in a bar and trashes it, and Pietro shows up to try and take her home. Its his first appearance in a while, it was lovely!
Now we are here with All New X-factor #1 where he is teamed up with baby half-sister Lorna, and everything is wonderful and nothing hurts. PAD is once again writing him, and I trust PAD with Pietro. Bless that man.
So, this is just a basic overview, I hope it helped. If you have more specific questions, let me know! I am working on a straight up appearance listing, but that will take time.
Also, to anyone reading this, if you have something to add, let me know and I will edit the post!!!!
Lets all love us some Pietro!!